I was recently introduced to the theology of Universalism. Christian Universalism to be more specific. I guess those who follow this theology believe that eventually all will be saved by God. Even though they never accepted Jesus as their savior while alive on earth, eventually God will release them from the pits of hell granting them eternal life.
My problem with that: Why would Jesus die? Why did God sacrifice His Son, His perfect and holy Son only to end the punishment of denying Christ later on?
Christian Universalism sounds nice but it doesn’t add up.
Tags: christianity, religion, universalism
Arrogant New Englander 
September 23, 2008 at 2:19 pm |
It’s funny how something that doesn’t add up to one person, is the only thing that makes ANY sense to another! What a wacky world!
September 23, 2008 at 3:01 pm |
BruceD:
If Christian Universalism makes sense, then why does it contradict the Bible? Why would Jesus be made to suffer and die on a cross for our sins, if in the end, we are all going to enter into eternity?
Christian Universalism is unsound when measured against the Bible. It is nice little fairy tale where, in the end, we all live happily ever after.
Of course, you haven’t stated yourself to be one who adheres to universalism.
October 1, 2008 at 1:14 pm |
Why would Jesus die? To save all mankind. Every Knee shall bow, and every tongue shall make confession unto salvation, each in his own time, some in this life to whom the second death has no power over, while others having to suffer a second death which is a punishment for sin to be sure, but it is also a season of pruning, for Christ came to save us from our sins, not from the punishment of our sins, since the punishment for sin is death. Therefore no man rises from the dead without the sacrifice of Christ, but all shall rise some to life in the glory and purity Christ has provide, while others shall rise in shame for a second death, which destroys both death and hell. For death shall have no sting, and no victory. Christ shall draw all men unto him, because he has been lifted up to sit in authority with the Father till all enemies are place under his feet, then Christ shall submit once again to the Father and God shall be all in all.
God Bless.
October 1, 2008 at 5:23 pm |
I don’t disagree that every knee will bow, and every tongue confess. I just disagree where some of those knees will be when they are confessing. Not a pretty thing, for sure.
If purgatory is true, as you suggest, then why bother?
God is a God of logic.
February 14, 2009 at 1:41 pm |
…You had me a drop dead sexy! Just teasing..If you want to read a really good take on religion , get the book, ” The Life of Pi,” and in the intial pages you will come across a young boys explanation of son’s dying for their fathers…it’s priceless….
grantman
( ps .cyberspace linked you to one of my links, that’s what got me here..)
February 14, 2009 at 1:54 pm |
Hello Grantman,
Not familiar with the book, but I’ll keep it in mind.
November 24, 2009 at 3:55 pm |
My firend, I think upon a closer inspection you’d see God’s arm is not slack that it cannot save. And that when it states, all will come to the knowledge of the truth and the stature of the perfect man, it is not a bunch of nonsence. But this is a dificult saying, I understand. And it is well beyond our understanding. I believe there is only ONE WAY to the Father and that is through the SON which is the TRUTH, which is CHRIST, I don’t believe any old belief gets you there, but I do believe, every tongue will confess and every knee will submit to this TRUTH ultimately and every NATURE not written in the book of Life (Christ) will be BURNED (purged) away… in other words, every THOUGHT that is not rooted in TRUTH and LOVE will ultimately be destroyed… I know this sounds nutty, but hey, give some essays I have written a chance, I think you’ll see there is plenty of biblical evidence to back such a statement. Also, is it such a bad thing to believe God finishes his Creation in VICTORY and not defeat and that JESUS DOES INDEED DIE AND SAVE THE WHOLE WORLD? Peace my friend, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WONDERFUL WORDS! Jacob… enjoy my writings, start with THE HELL WITH HELL… its a tongue and cheek look at how this belief came about, and it is one hundred percent true, what you do with that, is up to you.
http://jacobisrael71.wordpress.com
November 26, 2009 at 2:31 am |
I agree that their is only one way to the Father, and that is through Jesus Christ.
However, I disagree that there will be a time when those who are in punishment will be released to spend eternity with God.
Yes, every knee will bow, every tongue confess, be that from behind the gates of hell or near to the glory of the Father.
John 3:16 says that God love us, but that salvation is for those who believe.
February 14, 2010 at 3:55 am |
As a Christian Universalist, I myself would like to know,
what is there about it that doesn’t quite add up?
February 15, 2010 at 3:58 am |
The fact that God would send Christ to die for our sins, only to allow everyone to enter into eternity eventually.
Why the ultimate sacrifice if the punishment is not eternal?
August 7, 2010 at 11:27 pm |
metaljaybird, if Jesus’ death was required to save even “one”, then why would you believe it unnecessary if “all” are saved by the same sacrifice? I’m not sure how you are adding that up? His death was necessary so long as only “some” believe” but not necessary of He actually died for (and saved) “all men”?
September 15, 2010 at 2:22 pm |
nsearch4truth,
How then do you explain the White Throne? I understand it to be a place of judgement where after, their shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
September 15, 2010 at 8:00 pm |
Hi mjb! I agree, but what did Jesus say about judgment? Didn’t he say “I am come to send fire in the earth” and “now is the judgment of this wolrd”? Where do the scriptures say that we are recompensed? Is it not “in the earth”, even “into our bosom”?
I don’t see the White Throne judgment as a future event or even as a post-mortem event. I see it as an ongoing event that has to do with THE DAY of the Lord and our entering into it (= TODAY, when we hear His voice and harden not our hearts). I see the second death as our baptism into the death of Christ. Just as we all died “in Adam” so have we all been baptized into the death of Christ, as it is only being dead “in Christ” that we can take part in “the resurrection of the dead” (by knowing the power of HIS resurrection = THE FIRST). HE is THE resurrection and the life, the One who has the keys of death and of hell. He raised us (with Him) out of death. I see these things as spiritual truths, things that are not seen but that can only be seen by looking upon those things that are not seen, which are eternal.